PODCAST EP#13 – Zach And Tim Interview Patrick


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Episode #13: Zach And Tim Interview Patrick

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“Each moment is all being. Each moment is the entire world. Reflect now whether any being or any world is left out of the present moment.”



Deconstructing Reality now on iTunes.

Zach is moving away, but have no fear his commitment to Zen Disc Golf is strong and he will continue to join us on the pod!

Zach and Tim become the first sponsored Zen Disc Golf Guinea Pigs.


On this podcast Tim had the BOLD idea to conspire with Zach to interview me – Patrick with hopes of shedding light on the person behind Zen Disc Golf.  I hope that you enjoy this very different pod but if not have no fear our regularly scheduled programming will continue on #14.


Every podcast we give away a signed book to a random person who left a 5 STAR review on Amazon!

If I could rate it a 10 star I would. This book not only has helped my game it gave me an insight into my own life. It has opened up doors I never thought possible. I’ve even purchased a few extra to give as gifts. Every Disc Golfer needs to add this book to their bag. In addition listening to the podcasts are a great companion and way to put it all together. Clear your mind and get out and throw!


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MVP Relay: Brick by brick

One of my favorite films from the last couple years is, without a doubt, The Lego Movie.

Besides being visually stunning and packed full of one-liners that might fly over the kids’ heads but give the grown-ups a chuckle, it provided a positive message: Confidence in yourself, combined with a solid foundation, can result in something truly special.

For Emmet, the film’s hero, that foundation was comprised of  the indispensable knowledge that came from the Instructions. These step-by-step, how-to pages not only got our orange safety-vested protagonist up and moving each morning, but eventually inspired him to take down the evil Lord Business with a carefully-crafted plan that helped he and his fellow Master Builders fly under the radar.

Unfortunately, disc golf doesn’t come with a set of instructions.

Sure, we can chase form videos on YouTube and pore over threads on various Internet forums, but when it comes to crafting the perfect combination of technique and equipment, trial and error is the rule, not the exception.

As someone who reviews discs and, as a result, has a bag that is constantly in a state of flux, I understand the value in finding a mold or two that you can build your entire arsenal around. Whether it is a stable midrange to cycle through stages of wear, or an overstable utility mold that can save you from tricky situations, having a couple of tried and true foundational discs in the bag can go a long way toward improving your game.

And an upcoming release from MVP Disc Sports is just that: a solid foundation upon which to build a bag.

Currently available only at the company’s Circuit events but set for retail later this year, the MVP Relay is a stable-to-understable fairway driver that excels at holding release angles to create extended lines. It’s the first in MVP’s to-be-completed 16-mm rim-width class, putting it squarely in speed 6 territory.

MVP Relay

•Currently exclusive to MVP Circuit events

•Straight with minimal fade when fresh

•Wears in to become more versatile


Comfortable feel for mass appeal

As the only unreleased mold for the brand’s inaugural three-disc promotional event, MVP has staked a large claim on the Relay having a wide range of appeal. Designed to be “beginner-friendly,” the brand’s marketing materials prior to the event touted the new disc as one that “balances distance and throwability” and is “built for precision drives.” Still, there will be non-beginners attending these events, so the disc’s use by everyone from noodle arms to cannons will be key.

And for this noodle arm, at least, the Relay lives up to MVP’s claims.

Fresh out of the box, the Relay just feels like it is going to be easy to throw. The smaller, less popular 16-mm rim fits in the hand comfortably and is buttressed by a smooth, flat wing. A flat top – a kind of calling card for most MVP drivers, at this point – further emphasizes the disc’s compact feel, lending confidence that one can get it up to speed even before giving it flight.

Once I did let it spread its wings, though, I was a bit surprised. Thrown flat, it had more high speed stability than I anticipated, holding a long, straight flight before a minimal fade. It wasn’t really understable, but more just a linear, point-and-shoot type of line, almost like a broken in  Innova Teebird.

On a hyzer release, I was anticipating being able to flip it to flat, but it held the hyzer instead. On an anhyzer, it held pretty reliably for about 75 percent of its flight before flexing out at the end.

These were all useful lines, to be sure. But I was a little concerned that this might not be as user-friendly as advertised.

It turns out, though, that I just needed to knock some of the new off of it.


Let it breathe

Since I was given a review copy of this mold prior to hosting an MVP Circuit in San Diego, I had the advantage of seeing how the disc would wear in. And when the shine is off, and a few tree hits have taken their toll, the Relay becomes the controllably understable animal I had hoped for.

It really started to show its true colors when I took it to Colina Park – a well-manicured disc golf course on a ball golf course and home to the Circuit I hosted – and gave it a run as the only driver in the bag. There aren’t a ton of holes there where the Relay is needed, but it certainly did its job when called upon.

As a result, I will offer this caveat to anyone who checks out the Relay at a Circuit (or via the post-event market) and doesn’t necessarily see its potential: Let it breathe. Throw it around, add some wear, and watch it become more useful.

Hole 8, for example, is a long, straight shot that has a relatively wide fairway. The difficulty, though, lies in the landing zone. With a bunker to the left and a golf green in front of the basket – both of which play as out of bounds – a premium is placed not only on being able to clear the obstacles, but land precisely.

With a slight headwind, the Relay flipped up nicely from a hyzer an rode a straight line past the basket. It was an overthrow, but it was also safe.

The ability to control both the lines and the landings with this disc, I think, come from that flat wing design. Crazy skips are not going to happen, nor is a tremendous lateral fade. In this fashion, the Relay is pretty beginner-friendly, as it can be forgiving even when not put all the way up to cruising speed.

As I integrated it into the bag for my normal, non-Circuit rounds, the Relay wore in gracefully, with the high speed stability easing into a gradual turn and a respectable amount of glide being added to the mix. Even with the added turn, though, it still holds a line reliably, and the extra legs really help add to its versatility.

For example, the Relay already excelled on Hole 7 at Kit Carson Park, which sports some low canopy but only about 265-feet of length. Fresh or worn, a low line could be held here without a massive fade, making for a manageable birdie look.

With the added use, though, I was able to stare down Hole 14 at the same course, add a little height to the Relay, and get it out to 300-plus feet. That didn’t happen out of the box, but rather required a month or so of hopping in and out of my bag to be realized.

As a result, I will offer this caveat to anyone who checks out the Relay at a Circuit (or via the post-event market) and doesn’t necessarily see its potential: Let it breathe. Throw it around, add some wear, and watch it become more useful.



The MVP Relay finds a home in birdie range.

In good company

On the whole, the MVP Relay is most impressive for its accessibility and versatility. The more I threw it, the more it reminded me of another slightly understable fairway driver: the Discmania FD. That mold is one that I have built my bag around, as it has the ability to handle numerous lines; eats my off-axis-torque and turns it into straight shots; and is packed with easy distance. For those who throw MVP exclusively, or are searching for a fairway driver to be the foundation of a bag, the Relay, like the FD, fits the bill.

But it isn’t just for noodle arms. Carlos Oropeza, a higher-powered player who participated in the San Diego Circuit, made some adjustments and was able to find success with the Relay.

“Already having the understanding that it was an understable 6 speed, I knew when I threw it that it had to be released on an aggressive hyzer for the disc to maintain a straight line and not veer to the right,” Oropeza said. “To me, it’s like the Inertia’s little brother.”

Oropeza also mentioned a classic mold that the Relay could stand up against.

“This disc can be compared with an Innova Leopard,” he said. “Nice, controlled anhyzer shots.”

There are plenty of people who use the Leopard as the basis for a bag. The Relay, then, is up for the challenge.

No instructions required.


Connect with MVP Disc Sports to learn more about the Relay, as well as the brand’s other offerings:

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MVP Relay Facebook Giveaway

Want to give the Relay a toss? Here’s all you have to do:

1) LIKE Noodle Arm Disc Golf.

2) LIKE MVP Disc Sports.

3) LIKE and COMMENT on the pinned post for this review at the Noodle Arm Disc Golf page. For your comment, tell me which mold or molds you have built your bag around.

4) SHARE the review for an extra entry.

The contest will run until Wednesday, September 2 at 9 p.m. PDT, when a random winner will be chosen. Good luck!

Steve Hill is a Southern California-based disc golfer who doesn’t throw very far. Follow him on Twitter @NoodleArmDG.

INTERVIEW: Simon beats McBeast at Ledgestone, wins first NT of career

Ledgestone Insurance Open – The 2nd to last leg of the US National Tour was able to raise some heads already early in the season by promising to deal out the biggest purse of added cash in the history of the sport, a total of $65.000. The big payout also lured a huge 694 player field to central Illinois to compete in 5 Pro and 9 AM divisions. The MPO field alone boasted a total 217 players, with most of the top players of the sport taking part in this National Tour event.

The obvious top candidate for the victory was naturally the 4-time consecutive World Champion Paul McBeth, who has been winning events far and wide this season, including (but not limited to) all 3 PDGA Majors of the season so far, as well as 3 of the 5 NT events held before the Ledgestone Insurance Open. Last weekend again, Paul was in the lead by 2 going into the final 9. Trailing by those 2 strokes was Team Discmania’s Simon Lizotte, who knows Paul very well from the 2 previous seasons of competing against McBeast in numerous events around the world.

While most players would probably consider themselves lucky to be even that close to Paul, taking 2nd this time was no option for Simon. After 9 holes of exciting golf, Simon was eventually able to come up on top with a whopping 4 stroke gap over the 4-time World Champ. This was also Simon’s first ever NT win and only the 2nd time ever an European player has been able to capture the top spot at a US National Tour event.

We caught up with Simon after the event for a quick interview, check out Simon’s thoughts of the tournament below:

Q: Congrats on winning your first National Tour event! After so many close calls, how did it feel like to finally bring one home?

Simon: Thank you! It felt totally unreal. The past couple events have been really frustrating to me so I was very surprised that suddenly everything started to come together. I’m very proud of this win and glad I learned from all the mistakes I’ve made before.

Q: You actually went to the final 9 two shots behind Paul McBeth and ended up winning by 4. What is it like to beat the McBeast in his own game?

Simon: Usually once Paul McBeth gets ahead he never looks back. I was very surprised to see him make mistakes. I’ve been in that situation so many times now I knew I just had to be patient and let things happen. If you’re beating McBeth you’re probably winning the tournament. His skills and consistency are amazing, so to be able to get a win over him feels amazing!

Q: The course design especially on certain holes raised some controversy. Did you have to adjust your game in some way to avoid getting those big numbers we saw from many players over the weekend?

Simon: The course was a little bit crazy. So many island shots. You really just had to play the lay up game. If you’d just lay up on every hole it wasn’t that hard of a course. Almost everyone who took a risk got punished pretty roughly. So all I had to do is play it safe.

Q: Which discs did you use the most at this event?

Simon: I only use a few molds anyway but in those windy conditions my PD2 and P2 really helped me out. Those two are very over stable and consistent and gave me confidence for all my shots.

Q: What are your plans for the rest of the season?

Simon: My plans are to keep playing disc golf the best I possibly can and to stay healthy :)

On behalf of the whole Discmania Staff we’d like to congratulate Simon for his first NT win! Here’s to many more to come!

Check out the great coverage of the Ledgestone Insurance Open by Jomez Productions here!


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